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  1. Mark

    While I can’t comments on the internal working of Lulu, or give out information on pricing, I can give out some other information, since I’m a Lulu Engineer. (Even I don’t know everything that goes on with decisions such as pricing, but that’s mostly because it isn’t my job to worry about that – it’s my job to make sure the site works and to develop new features).

    Lulu does provide every user with the option to set up their own storefront, which they can use to promote their books. As you mentioned, we do have Buy buttons available. We also have widgets now available: one for Facebook, a Flash based one, and a Javascript based one. I also encourage users to take advantage of the flash based previews that we recently added. Although I do have to sheepishly admit there appear to be some bugs with those at the moment. If the preview for some reason doesn’t work correctly for you, we are looking into the causes and hope to have a fix ready as soon as possible.

    Sorry I can’t provide any more information on the Amazon issue, but I’ve started keeping an eye on this blog, so if there is something you want to ask me that isn’t currently internal company information, I’ll try to answer it.

    - Mark, Lulu Engineer.

  2. shannonyarbrough

    Thanks Mark for your comments. I also enjoyed the comments over at PodPeep. They’ve been very informative, and its nice to have some feedback from the inside and know that Lulu continues to improve its services for its authors and customers.

    -LLBR

  3. Will Entrekin

    Well, I just have to note, one option is for authors to simply not use Amazon. I’m a proud Lulu author who never has (and never will) use Amazon for material I consider Lulu-exclusive.

    I blogged about it today, in fact.

  4. Author

    Keep in mind what Amazon is trying to do, foist off on the public BookSurge, a POD printery they own, whose bad service and poor printing quality ensured that LightningSource became the respected market leader. Getting clients by using Amazon’s market share isn’t going to change that. BookSurge will still be pitiful. Amazon’s ethics will remain dubious. We just need to make sure neither can do harm to our books or our relationship with our customers.

    The POD community needs to get together and create a list of demands Amazon must meet before we sign, demands that ensure that customers receive quality books quickly and that Amazon doesn’t distort the market so badly in the pursuit of profit that they force book prices upward. Those demands would include:

    1. Since Amazon is handling every aspect of publishing from printing to shipping, Amazon must handle all defective returns. It must place a notice to that effect on the detail page of all BookSurge titles. It must make replacement easy with a widely publicized toll-free number. It must pay postage both ways. Replacements must ship within two weeks. Otherwise, as others have noted, authors and publishers will get blamed for BookSurge’s poor quality control. And we must be allowed to place a notice inside books noting that Amazon/BookSurge is responsible for a book’s print quality.

    2. Since Amazon is doing the printing and selling, there’s no way authors and publishers can know how many copies are actually being sold. Amazon could print and sell 1000 copies and only pay us for 800. To provide a way for us to check, Amazon must provide authors and publishers with weekly sales figures, listing the date and time a book is ordered and shipped as well as the city, state and zip where it is shipped. (No names required.) It must provide a legally binding agreement to allow us to examine their internal records any time a discrepancy appears.

    3. Books created for BookSurge aren’t likely to be distributed many places outside Amazon. There is no need to stick authors and publishers with the cost of creating two books just to increase Amazon’s profitability. BookSurge must change their front end to accept precisely the same files as LightningSource. Until it does so, Amazon will continue to carry all POD books from Lightning.

    4. BookSurge can print in fewer formats and sizes than Lightning, so books in all the other formats will be supplied through Lightning. That will never change.

    5. Only Amazon benefits from this change, so Amazon will cover all the costs of placing books into BookSurge’s system and commit in writing to never charge for this service.

    6. Amazon must allow authors and publishers the same freedom to set prices and discounts as Lightning permits.

    7. Amazon will not attempt to force authors and publishers to sell them books at a greater discount than they offer other retail outlets. (Doing so is illegal anyway.) Authors and publishers will still be allow complete freedom in the discount they offer in retail sales of their own titles. (This is to counter the strong-arm tactics Amazon has begun to use in the UK.)

    Other items need to be included, but you get the point. We don’t let Amazon run this show. We set down the conditions they must meet, conditions that ensure that the public is treated properly and we aren’t abused or cheated. Will Amazon be willing to agree to these quite reasonable conditions. Almost certainly not.

    Legal action will take time. This is something we can do now to rally everyone to the same flag and keep BookSurge’s salesmen from wearing us down one by one. And this ought to make it clear to everyone that Amazon’s goal is more control and more profits not customer satisfaction. Otherwise, why wouldn’t they agree to quickly replace any book they misprinted and sold? Why won’t they agree to give us the ability to make sure they aren’t cheating us?

  5. A.F. Stewart

    Well, as a Lulu author, all I can say is I publish at Lulu.com because of low publishing costs. If costs or prices go up, I simply will not be able to take advantage of their distribution. It just isn’t affordable or profitable, and I may have to rethink self-publishing entirely. It is sad that authors are going to be the ones to suffer from these new policies.

  6. Will Entrekin

    “The POD community needs to get together and create a list of demands Amazon must meet before we sign, demands that ensure that customers receive quality books quickly and that Amazon doesn’t distort the market so badly in the pursuit of profit that they force book prices upward. Those demands would include:”

    I might be more inclined to listen to what you appear to believe you have to say if you weren’t posting anonymously. Damages your credibility; if you really believe what you’re saying, why are you scared to state who you are?

    If not even the author himself wants to rally behind some flag, why would I?

  7. Joe in Beijing

    I have found that Lulu prices are about double those at CreateSpace. But since both are in the US I am still looking for a way forward (I am in UK). Lightning had no prices so i eliminated it. Any other ideas ?

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